Posts by Jules Saturn

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"Only Witnesses demonstrate Christian Love"

by Jules Saturn in

so a couple of nights ago i was speaking with a relative and we began talking about the organization.

i had to asked her "why do you believe that this religion is the correct one?

" they stood quiet for a second but then said that they view and feel genuine christian love, a type of love that is spoken about in the bible.

Jules Saturn

@moreconfusedthanever

I believe there are other religions who also refuse to go to war like the Adventists, the Quakers, the Brethern, to name a few, aren't they showing "true Christian love" as well?

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"Only Witnesses demonstrate Christian Love"

by Jules Saturn in

so a couple of nights ago i was speaking with a relative and we began talking about the organization.

i had to asked her "why do you believe that this religion is the correct one?

" they stood quiet for a second but then said that they view and feel genuine christian love, a type of love that is spoken about in the bible.

So a couple of nights ago I was speaking with a relative and we began talking about the organization. I had to asked her "Why do you believe that this religion is the correct one?" They stood quiet for a second but then said that they view and feel genuine Christian love, a type of love that is spoken about in the Bible. A type of love that is worldwide. She argued that she had been a Catholic while growing up and that that genuine Christian love was never felt. I wanted to reason with her that she had spent more time being a Witness than a Catholic but I decided to let her speak.

And then she said "There is no other organization that is like this." And that's where I tried reasoning with her by saying "You haven't been in other organizations before, only two, the Catholics and the Witnesses, to say that the Witnesses are the ONLY organization to demonstrate this act of love is a bold claim." And they argued saying that they weren't going to join every other organization to see whether they have that "love" quality or not.

I definitely thought her response was very interesting and I do wonder if many other Witnesses reason this way. I definitely can't argue doctrine with her because she honestly doesn't seem to care whether it's correct or not and if I attempt to explain something she doesn't want to listen.

You ever experienced this talking to a Witness before? How do you respond when they mention the whole "Only this organization shows true Christian love"?

~Jules

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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction

by Magnum in

so, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.

on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?

was it for more and/or better control?

Jules Saturn

When RBC was still around I knew people who would count whatever time they spent at RBC on their preaching time sheet and if I'm not mistaken, I don't think you were allowed to do that. So if anything that could be one of the many reasons the RBC arrangement was discontinued. I'm not so sure if there are people who do that with the LDC arrangement

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What would happen to a JW who respectfully refused to fill out a no blood DPA?

by Island Man in

i know you'll be involuntarily disassociated if you unrepentantly accepted a blood transfusion; and i know you'll be disfellowshipped for apostasy if you openly disagreed with watchtower teaching.

what if you have done none of the above but simply respectfully refused to fill out the dpa without giving any reason for your refusal - so they can't accuse you of openly disagreeing with the no-blood doctrine and df you for apostasy.

they don't know why you're refusing and you're not giving them the reason - and you're being very respectful.. what can they do?.

Jules Saturn

I actually haven't filled it out since my baptism and I currently haven't been reprimanded for it

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When was the book of Lamentations written?

by Jules Saturn in

so i was researching about 587 and 607 and couldn't help but notice that the wbts states that the writing of the book of lamentations was written by jeremiah near jerusalem and was completed in 607 bc.

chapters 2 and 4 of this book describe jehovah's anger towards jerusalem and the terrible effects of jerusalem's siege taking place in chapter 4. can someone clear this up?

was this book written in 607?

Jules Saturn

@smiddy

No I just noticed that it says this in the back of the New World Translation, particularly the 2013 revision, in the back where it says where every book was written, when and by who

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Study article for this week, more self delusion

by stillin in

"set your heart on spiritual treasures.

" i have been thinking about this during the past week.

i always knew that there were no treasures on earth.

Jules Saturn

I almost commented during the congregation study regarding the Generation teaching but at the same time I'm not trying to get pulled into the back room 😅

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When was the book of Lamentations written?

by Jules Saturn in

so i was researching about 587 and 607 and couldn't help but notice that the wbts states that the writing of the book of lamentations was written by jeremiah near jerusalem and was completed in 607 bc.

chapters 2 and 4 of this book describe jehovah's anger towards jerusalem and the terrible effects of jerusalem's siege taking place in chapter 4. can someone clear this up?

was this book written in 607?

Jules Saturn

So I was researching about 587 and 607 and couldn't help but notice that the WBTS states that the writing of the book of Lamentations was written by Jeremiah near Jerusalem and was completed in 607 bc. Chapters 2 and 4 of this book describe Jehovah's anger towards Jerusalem and the terrible effects of Jerusalem's siege taking place in chapter 4. Can someone clear this up? Was this book written in 607? I always find conflicting information that contradicts what I discover.

~Jules

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Interesting reaction regarding Jerusalem's destruction

by Jules Saturn in

so i saw this article on yahoo news this past friday .

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1.

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that jerusalem was destroyed in 586 bc, and it goes along with what is written in the bible.. excerpt from article:.

Jules Saturn

@sir82

But how oblivious can they be?

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Interesting reaction regarding Jerusalem's destruction

by Jules Saturn in

so i saw this article on yahoo news this past friday .

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1.

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that jerusalem was destroyed in 586 bc, and it goes along with what is written in the bible.. excerpt from article:.

Jules Saturn

So I saw this article on yahoo news this past Friday

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BC, and it goes along with what is written in the Bible.

Excerpt from article:

The book of Jeremiah says, "Now on the seventh day of the fifth month, which was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem.

"He burned the house of the Lord, the king’s house, and all the houses of Jerusalem; even every great house he burned with fire."

I thought this was interesting so I decided to show my father and I told him "Look, this article says that these findings go along with what is written in the Bible and when Jerusalem was destroyed."

"607?" He asks. And I tell him "No, 586 BC, because it says that Jerusalem was destroyed in the nineteenth year in Nebuchadnezzar's rule and that is written in the Bible."

He just stared at me for a moment and as he walked away said "Yeah, that's in the Bible."

I'm surprised he didn't try defending 607 with it but what I regret not bringing up to him is what the Watchtower says about it. As a matter of fact, last week's mid week meeting spoke about 607 and how it's bible prophecy. I really am focusing on debating with him less.

Thoughts?

~Jules

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Spirit directed vs inspired

by Jules Saturn in

i've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

in the february 2017 watchtower study article, paragraph 12 says:.

12 the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Jules Saturn

I always watch the JW broadcast to see if I pick up things myself and then whenever Lloyd comes out with his rebuttal I watch it and see if I didn't catch anything he brings out